Football Trading Profits, formally known as Delay React Trade, is a football trading service from Clive Keeling that teaches how to make money from in-play matches.
Although it has recently adopted a new name, the product has been around for quite a while now and was originally reviewed here at Lay, Back and Get Rich by Lucy in 2015.
While the same concepts apply, the service has evolved a lot since then and they have recently opened the doors to a new programme called "The In-Play Football Academy". I figured it's the ideal time to take a fresh look and start a brand new review.
The academy is designed to give you everything you need to make a second income from football trading.
When you first sign up, there are a series of video guides to go through, followed by a PDF guide with everything you need to know about the Football Trading Profits method.
The method is based around hot favourites, but rather than backing them when they are at crazy low odds, the strategy is to delay until something unexpected happens and get better odds.
It is all explained in more detail in the strategy guide, but the gist is to delay entering a trade and react when something happens, then trade out when appropriate.
One of the main parts to the service is the Telegram group and the live webinar sessions, where you can see exactly how Clive trades the matches and either paper trade or follow along with real money when you are ready.
There is also access to a private community of members and Clive also posts previews of matches there.
Clive spends a lot of time researching matches and provides a daily bulletin with stats for some of the top matches of the day.
As much as I like trialling tipping services, it's always good to look at something different and I being a big fan of football trading, I am really looking forward to trying this out.
Football Trading Profits Results
The thing about trialling a trading service is that results are going to be different for everyone, especially for FTP.
The advice is there for you to make use of but not everyone will be making the exact same moves as it depends on your personal trading style.
While there are guidelines to follow, everyone has different comfort levels when it comes to risk.
Although I won't be providing sets of results for the service, I have put together an example of a night of trading so that you can get an idea of what the service is about.
I managed to achieve a 10.85% increase to my trading bank from 3 daily bulletin trades and 1 Telegram alert. Not too shabby, hey?!
My first step was to read through the PDF manual and then have a go at implementing the strategy on some of the matches covered in the daily bulletin.
It was a positive experience and I felt in control knowing I had the stats behind me. I have noted my trades down in a diary, showing how I used the bulletin to decide what matches to get involved with.
Daily Research Bulletin - Trading Diary
This was my first time trading with FTP and it was a little daunting as I was flying solo with no Telegram alerts on this particular night.
The money management advice said that a 20 point bank was adequate for the service, so I had put aside £200 to test it out. That meant 1 point would be £10 for me.
My first step was to check the “Daily Research Bulletin” and save the matches that I was interested in to Flashscore.
I traded 3 matches during the whole night but I am pleased that I was selective, as they all turned out to be winning trades.
Below is the research provided on FTP, followed by my results.
Trade 1
19:00 - NAC Breda v Roda - 2.40 Roda
+2.5 goals: There have been +2.5 goals in 15/20 Roda JC away matches and +3.5 goals in 10/20 Roda JC away matches. NAC Breda have won the first half in 6/10 home matches against top-half teams.
Result
The score was 0-0 at half-time so I backed Over 1.5 Goals for £10.00 at 3.10.
NAC Breda scored at 55 minutes and I quickly traded out and left all of the profit on the Over 1.5. This meant that I still needed another goal to make a profit but I wouldn’t lose anything if the 2nd goal didn’t come.
It came quicker than I thought with Roda scoring in the 57th minute.
That was the first trade done and dusted and £7.18 profit.
Trade 2
19:45 - Birmingham v Sheffield Utd - 2.10 Sheff Utd
Birmingham - 17th
Sheff Utd - 11th
Conclusions
Result
I didn’t back the 0-0 pre-match as I felt like I would be panicking, not knowing when to trade out in case a goal came!
Instead, I waited until half-time again and placed a lay on Under 0.5 Goals at 3.40 (the same as laying 0-0, but I like that the Over/Under Goals markets settle right after a goal).
The goal came in the 61st minute and with my liability at £10.01, I made £4.09 profit.
Trade 3
20:00 - Marseille v Angers - 1.53 Marseille
Marseille - 3rd
Angers - 12th
Conclusions
Result
This match was 2-2 at half-time and I decided to lay the draw this time.
Marseille went on a scoring spree, finishing the game 5-2. I had played it safe and greened up for an equal profit across all outcomes at 3-2.
This gave me another £2.79 profit and that was me done for the night.
Summary
Following the strategy of delaying trades until later in the match was working well and I felt in control, knowing exactly what I was going to do whatever happened.
Profit/Loss: +£14.06 (+1.41 points)
New bank: £214.06
Telegram Alert
I couldn’t make it to the Zoom session on this particular weekend, but I did catch a Telegram alert that prompted me to make a quick trade.
PAOK v Panathanaikos – Score at Entry Point - 0-1
Advice: I will lay over 1.5 goals at 1.39 and back Double Chance Home or Draw 2.16.
Result
I had put my lay on Over 1.5 Goals for a liability of £2.50 and the odds were 1.48 by the time I got there. I backed Home or Draw for £10.00 at 2.26.
When PAOK equalised the Home or Draw odds dropped to 1.11, so I greened up to make it £10.13 profit across all outcomes.
Of course, this meant the Over 1.5 Goals lay had lost, so subtracting that gave me £7.63 profit.
Summary
Profit/Loss: +£7.63 (+0.76 points)
New bank: £221.69
Total bank growth: 10.85%
Live Trading Webinar
It took me a while to find the time to fit one of these webinars in, hence the delay on this review. Sorry!
These Zoom sessions mainly take place on a Saturday and Sunday but it depends on the match schedule. I managed to attend on a Saturday on a day where there was plenty of activity.
For me personally, I find that pre-planning the trades that I want to get involved with is the most useful. It can be easy to get carried away with live trading chats and webinars as there are often a lot of opportunities and it is tempting to jump in without thinking things over.
With that in mind, I decided not to actually do any trading but sit back and watch the action unfold.
Clive started by going through the fixture list and marking all the hot favourites to keep an eye on in-play.
As time went on, a number of opportunities came up and Clive often used a strategy of backing the team either in the match odds or handicap markets and then adding some insurance in the goals markets.
There was also a chat box where participants could add their thoughts on certain matches.
One that stood out for me was one chap that had spotted that QPR's goalkeeper had been injured in the warm up and with their backup keepers out of action, they would have to field Murphy Mahoney, who had never played for the QPR senior team before.
This little snippet of information turned out to be a golden nugget and presented a fantastic trading opportunity with Preston going 2 goals up.
I definitely think these webinars are useful to see how the strategy works in real time, but I think sitting back and watching is a good way to start. The staking can take time to figure out, as there isn't a set staking plan in the webinars and Clive says it can be on an ad-hoc basis based on confidence and in-play stats.
Paper trading is the way to go and built up confidence in the strategy before going in with real money.
Summary
A lot of work goes into the Football Trading Profits service. It's not just a trading strategy, it is a complete package with live trading and on-going support.
I feel confident that if I continue to follow the advice from the daily bulletin, I can make a profit from the service in the long-term.
The webinar is an added bonus, but personally I probably wouldn't have the time to attend on a regular basis. That is the cool thing though, as there is much more to the service that I can fit in around my schedule.
Whether I just plan my trades with the daily research bulletin, follow the Telegram alerts or fit in a webinar, there's plenty of methods available.
The key is not to get carried away, be careful with staking and stick to the strategy!
I have given Football Trading Profits a pass!
hello , i am interested in your service i can test it once via telegram .
do you say everything what has to be done in the game or do you just name a game and then i will be left alone ??
regards
darko
Hello Lucy, I signed-up for the £1 trial a couple of weeks ago and have to say you’re right in that:
1. There will definitely be a number of losing trades and perhaps only a few wins – I made a £100 Lay @ 1.03 on my first session and won but only after 3 losers, so persistence is the key (that still left me around £85 up after 4 bets risking no more than £7 each bet).
2. Whilst “Delay” is a big part of the in-play strategy, I think everyone needs to decide what kind of liability they are comfortable with and perhaps enter the market at that point.
For instance I bet the next Overs in games where Clive had indicated he was waiting to get a low price on the Draw/whatever market he was targeting (as he was expecting another goal), so I won when many others didn’t get a bet on as they were waiting and a goal came too soon for them. Of course it can go the other way and you can take a low back/high lay price earlier and still not win..
3. I agree Clive’s research is thorough and so I think there is perhaps an argument to see how you would have done if you only stuck to those matches over a longer period. However you then miss some as you said un-researched trades, so damned if you do…..of course there’s nothing to stop you doing your own research on the games being played and identifying the same stats/etc. that Clive does. I did flag a game where a team losing 0-1 had never lost the H2H in 10 years and we all got on, they promptly went on to win at very good odds.
4. I have my own selection system and did flag some of the other games up in-play (and won very nicely too), so the strategies can be employed on your own picks if you have them and Clive always give feedback on any games people mention. Doing that proved the most profitable for me.
Overall I agree it can seem very complicated if you do not focus on what you are the most comfortable doing. I’ve been trading for around 4 years and developed my own selection systems and strategies, so it’s been interesting to see how Clive works.
I think this is a service that once someone understands how they like to trade then this will help them to exploit maximum profit from each trade they place (or pass-up those that don’t represent good value), and if you keep the stakes relatively small you can play all of Clive’s trades (only the ones he actually places, not just mentions) and come out on top.
Of course any service where you can/have to use your own judgement will yield different results for everyone – your comment about missing trades is very important in that the bedrock of my trading has been to react immediately but Clive’s is the opposite.
I trade a lot more games than Clive does albeit I have trades entered into the relevant markets for all the days selections before they start and then monitor them as they progress, entering any secondary trades as required automatically.
The way Clive trades does involve a lot of screen time (I can check my trades on the go via my ‘phone) but a lot of other in-play opportunities can present themselves when you watch, so it may be a question of trading style preferences again.
My trial concludes soon so with a summer of other sports starting I’m considering extending the trial for another month to see how Clive does with those other sports (he is doing the Tennis currently as I write this and a couple of soccer games), so I am unsure as to what exactly everyone will get out of this (but they will get something I think), and £1 for the first month’s trial isn’t steep so perhaps give it a go and see and see as Lucy says.
Keep up the good work Lucy, been a follower for quite a while and always appreciate your advice/views.
Thanks for that really interesting summary. Will be interested to hear any further updates down the line.
The Telegram service has long been part of DRT. I was a member of DRT for sometime and found both Clive and his hard work incredible to say the least.
It’s all down to the subscriber…..Clive puts the information in front of you and it’s entirety up to you if you delay, trade or react.
I recall several years ago about a match taking place on a Saturday afternoon involving Hoffenheim…..I believe they were currently 3 – 0 down at the time….. Clive put the stats in front of everyone and stated that the opposing team were a good lay and or Hoffenheim were a good bet to get back into the match.
A sending off for the opposing team and Hoffenheim ended up winning I believe 4-3 at odds of around 100/1……happy days indeed.
That’s what I liked about DRT and Clive…..Clive did all the hard work but it was up to you if you wanted to play or not.
I’m currently trialing a newish service which again concentrates on stats but has an incredible strike rate and has almost doubled my betting bank in less than 3 months!
I did a few of my own calculations and found that I could increase this by a few sutble changes and have since improved the strike rate to 12 successes out of 13 although at low odds.
I wish you all continued success.
Thanks Lucy.
I like the combo of good research and solid methods. You’ll need both in addition to discipline for long term success. Perhaps the product needs a (season) long trial to be able to make a real one way or the other decision. Appreciate that’s not overly practical for a review site.
Do you think the current (initial and monthly) price is pitched right? It seems to have crept up since it was launched a couple of years back.
David
Yes it has crept up but it’s probably not unreasonable that it has done so.
Clive puts an awful lot into this product including regular trading sessions: I do think it’s very fair, from that point of view.
At time of writing, DRT does also offer a 30 day free trial, backed by a robust warranty.
Lucy